• Well, some game it was..

    But, still not good.. we can call a team good in terms of its performance when playing consistently good all 90 minutes. I'm sorry to say, in the beginning of the 2nd half, our German side was playing very very casual game which is not at all expected from a trophy winning team.. well, we are lucky that it was Greece but we won't be so lucky with this kind of approach against either of England and Italy..

    We not only have a very poor record against Italy, but our German side also has always been playing too slow passing game to break the defense wall of Italy. And I think this casual playing error should be taken for granted from now on.. Though we won today, but still the Greek side managed to score 2 goals against us which is not at all expected.

    This German side NEEDS to be faster.. there happened some miss passes in today's game just because of slow passing.. And if it is committed against a strong opponent, they will take full advantages of it which the Greek side failed to do.

    Especially Boateng needs to gain more speed and the 1st goal scored by Samaras was due to the casual defending by the German side..


  • And the attacking performance was good today.. Khedira, Özil, Lahm, Scürrle performed very good today..

    well as for the match against Italy or England, I think Gomez should be playing from the start with Klose as a sub. Same against Spain too if we have to face them this year also. Schürrle is way much better than Poldi.. especially against the Italian defense I think Scürrle will be better option than Podolski..

    anyways, one more thing in this kind of tournaments I don't think any country can be a better opponent for another. We thought if Barca would not make it to the final then Chelsea won't be a big problem for us and here we made a big mistake.. we forgot that Barca side failed to foil the Chelsea defense and that's why they could not make it to the final.. So, if England defeats Italy, we MUST NOT assume that English side can be better opponent for us than Italy. If England can beat Italy then probably they will also be able to beat the German side as Italy is considered more powerful than us in terms of defense.

    So, we must focus on the perfection of our performance.. Both England and Italy have nicely talented goal scorer in their squads.. So, we should not focus on which team it can be against us but we must focus on our drawbacks still we are having.. Good effort never turns into a failure.. Spain is the biggest instance of that because they hardly get casual in their games but keep on their consistency throughout all 90 minutes.. We have a very good and talented squad but that doesn't make any sense that we are already champions. We just have to utilize our talents.. Schürrle, Gotze, Khedira, Özil, and other midfielders are okay with their pace but our defense still lacks it.. and that's why the 1st goal by Samaras scored on a 2 on 3 situation.. Our other defenders could not cover them up..

    This is to be rectified or else we should again leave our match result to our fate.. but I think the first one is the better option..

    Anyways, lets hope for the best..lol


  • Generally, I think we deserve to beat Greece although I do think that there are many moments that we could improve in both attack and defence.

    I think Schweinsteiger played one of his worst matches against Greece, he has too many mis-passes. If we are going against stronger opponents like Spain or England, we could get punished. Badstuber and Lahm way too slow to stand up against counter attack. Our first conceded goal has shown that. Boateng has the speed to deal with wingers but his lack of concentration sometimes let him down. Hummels is the only worldclass defender in Germany. Lahm did well though for attack so he has a relative good display compared to Boateng and Badstuber.

    Khedira, Reus and Klose are the bright spot and that makes Ozeil better than previously, however, to meet the expectation that people have on him, is long way since his shots are not accurate and powerful enough and he can only play with his left foot.

    I dont think Schürrle plays better than Podolski. In fact, the first goal was leaded by his sloppy pass in the final third. If I have to pick my lineup for England or Italy, it would be:

    Boateng Hummels Badstuber Lahm
    Khedira Schweinsteiger
    Mueller Ozeil Reus

    I would pick Boateng ahead of Bender is because of his speed and he would be one of the key defenders to deal with counter attack for Germany as both Badstuber and Lahm would be out-paced if that happens. Reus has a fantastic match against Greece and deserves to start against but on the right side where he would benefit from cutting inside like Ribery. Gomez would be a bigger presence than Klose even though his combination with his wingers would be less.


  • As for Schweini, he made too many miss-passes in the match against Greece especially in the first half:x

    very disappointing.. anyway, all 365 days in a year cannot be sunny..

    Hope he will be back to his standard in the next game..


  • Now as for the concept on the history/ records/ so-called custom of one team beating another specific one repeatedly in a tournament, has just been proven a stereotypical assumption among the people..

    From last night's match what we can come up with is that a consistent and errorless performance achieves victory. Spain played well, so they won accordingly. I think I don't need to mention all the previous success of France against Spain in the past 20 years.. But it was so because in those years, France used to play better than Spain and now Spanish side is better playing than the French - to be simple enough to explain. So, quality counts, not the color of the opponent. Blunders happen in football which is undeniable but so far as the German side is concerned, the same reason is causing them defeat repeatedly which is the unsteadiness of defense.

    Though we won all the matches so far, but we should also remember that in every match except the 1st one, we had to digest at least 1 goal per match.. What does that signify? Spanish side only had one from Italy but in the rest of the games, their opponent's goal scoring is NIL. So, does it signify that the German side is habituated in creating an opportunity for their opponents to score at least one goal per match? If it is so and if by chance this goal by the opponent sides like Italy/ Spain is scored first, then it would definitely be very hard to equalize it up. I think our defense line-up MUST focus on this aspect. It seems like our German defense is playing kinda casual after 1 or 2 goal is scored and which is why we got one goal from each our opponent so far except Portugal. This MUST NOT be the approach in the semis or in final..

    And both Italy and England MUST BE given the same importance.. When a team reaches to the semi final stage, their quality naturally becomes better and motivated.. We just MUST BE retaining our standard of playing and not underestimating either of them.

    anyways, lets hope for the best..lol


  • Just watched the first half of England vs Italy, yes Badstuber and Lahm are right that England would be a much easier opponent although we need to take them seriously too. I can easily point out three reasons why they are easier to deal with for Germany

    1). Key England players' average age is old and with no rotation for the past few matches, they will suffer against us if we play a high temp game
    2). Italy is often a difficult opponent for us historically due to their extreme discipline in defence. In addition, they often have players like Pirlo who can accurately place a long pass to counter attack us and thats where our weakness is. However, England lacks this kind of players in midfield- neither Parker nor Gerrard is excellent in doing so.
    3). Both England's central defenders are slow; therefore, our players like Mueller, Podolski, Gotze, Ozeil or Reus will have huge advantage by playing hrough-passes.


  • So... Azzurra will be...

    i agree with you bbjtin about the counters and their defensive disclipline, but now they are attacking they also leave more spaces, Englad was just too slow to use them... Germany will have to show lot of speed and patience.. they already beated a team like greece with 9 man defense line... they have to show the same discipline now.. and I still think Bender should replace Boateng.. for 3 reasons:

    1) Boateng usually lost sight of the ball.. with players like Cassano, Di Natale and Pirlo you can't do that

    2) too slow in reactions

    3) Same as with Bayern.. loses to often the mark of key players in a determined play, you just can't leave a candidate for an assistance alone...


  • It s Italy in the Semis. Gonna be a gud game, Italy allready showed they can block a ballpossession-oriented gameplan against Spain. Germany is going to ave a nightmare against themnd Löw has to put all the experienced Players in the starting XI, than Italy will play a psy game with the Youngsters.
    Really hard to predict this one, i think Balotelli will decide this game.


  • This German side can beat the Azzurri side well if the defense doesn't play casual..

    Baletolli, Casano, Pirlo these players must not be unmarked.. The France performance was very disappointing due to the lack of co-ordinations.. and as for the English side, i don't know whether the word counter-attack exists in their dictionary or not..

    anyways, one thing is making me worried a lot which is the penalty shoot out.. It was just pathetic how Bayern lost in the tiebreaker.. Against Real Madrid, both Kroos and Lahm couldn't score at penalty shoot-outs.. In the final, Schweini could not.. In 2010, Poldi could not score at penalty against Serbia..

    I think our coaching also should focus on this aspect.. Though our German side has always been holding a good record of penalty shots but that does never mean we cannot be beaten at penalties.. Against Chelsea, the German side was beaten..

    hope this time the match against Italy won't extend to the penalty shoot-outs.. We should score within 90 minutes and retain the score the same by our defense..


  • dustu04

    You missing one thing nd that s giving credit to Cech who had every Bayern Penalty right.

    I belive we won t see it, I really belive Italy will take advantage of the german defence since only Portugal didn t scored against Neuer, but they had Chances for two games and Pepe hit the Post. Italy will play like they allways do, destructive and with an high quality structure behind Pirlo who will be a nightmare for the defence.

    Actually i m going to bet on this one, Italy to win tho a Balotelli goal in the regular time.


  • Aside from the final (considering the right assumption by Cech), how do we explain those misses that Lahm and Kroos made in 2nd leg against Real Madrid?(I'm not concerned about what CR7 and Kaka did because I'm not their supporter).. How about Poldi missed to score against Serbia in 2010? these players are in our squad.. even in the CL final, the shot taken by Lahm was correctly assumed by Cech but it was too fast to stop..

    I must say here the technique Pirlo used last night to shoot at penalties, was an excellent one.. penalty shots should be tricky and dissembling.. it seems like most the ground shots taken at penalties are being saved by the goalies these days..


  • Well yes, Pirlo was like "Whuuut you can miss a penalty? Are you being serious???" with an Troll-Face on.

    I belive it s more the pressure, you can t train that. It s just a Fact that Keepers ave a huge Win-Situation in those Shootouts, nd Cech did had hes day - same as Neuer did in Madrid.

    As for missing, it s all bout the momentum. But take a look at Balotelli last night, just think how big the pressure was on him as the first taker and the constilation with Joe Hart who knows him like noone else. But Balo loves to shoot it, the coolness is in hes Blood, you can t gain that on training - it s something what does has do with your Character, which must be inside, in-depth, strong.

    Many Bayern Munich Players are just fine little kids, they wouldn t hurt you, they wouldn t say something bad bout each other, and that mentality doesn t bring you nothing. There must be fire, people who tell their opinion nd doesn t ave fear to tell it - like the early squad with Effenberg, Loddar and Kahn had. They didn t love each other, but they were real mean who played football with real emotion - that s the missing part at Bayern nd at the German national team.


  • well, in our German team, there are good co-ordination among players but somehow they lack some speed in comparison to Spain or Italy.

    Lahm said yesterday to some press, "You see the way they [Spain] played [against France] - that was impressive. France had practically no chance, above all in the first half. I am not sure if they even had the ball for more than two seconds."

    and frankly speaking, our German squad needs really more steadiness responding to the passes to beat teams like Spain.. I hope they are working hard on it..


  • On Italy match, I think it would be a difficult encounter for us. No doubt about it although they dont have the superstars like in 2006. But even in 2006, many has dis-credit them due to their average age and domestic scandal. Although this Italian team looks medicore compared to previous winning team, the German has never beaten Italy in any competition. This speaks volume.

    I think Italy will hold back and attack us on counter attack like Greece did. We need Hummels to man mark Baletolli and probably Schweinsteiger or Khedira always tracking Pirlo. Then Italian's threat is gone as Pirlo is the only Italian player who can pass the deadly ball. As everybody knows that German's backline is lack of speed and thats why we cant lose ball in midfield and invite Italian to play counter attack


  • Speed and steadiness in our defense line can spare us a goal from the Azzuri side..

    Remember Milito in 2010? Remember Del Piero in 2006? if we are to foil that counter-attacks, we need much more pace in our defense, that's all..


  • Yap you got it right, only Portugal didn t scored nd they had many oppotunities to do so. Pepe hit the post, Neuer saved couple times brilliant and few Portgual players did not had their day. All other teams managed to score, nd Greece scored by exactly what you described.

    Italy has Balotelli, Cassano and Di Natale all quick Players. Especially Balo is one crazy m********, he can do everything, i mean really everything and the german defence will have a nightmare with hin.

    Löw schould change hes tactics here, it would be stupid to play the same thing against Italy since they allready showed how to block this gameplan. I think he should take Bender in nd play with 3 holding Midfielders. Italy will make mistakes in the build up and that s the time to cut them, otherwise they will block the game by gaining Possessions themselfs. It s not like Italy would play like till 2006, they changed alot with Prandelli. Take a look at the stats, they have 55% avg. Ballpossesion (Germany 57%) so far, that s an indicator how Italy will not park the bus and wait for Germany to open up.


  • Yep but Balotelli has a huge mistake... he is really selfish when he's trying to be hero or probe he can play also for Italia.. Against England they could have won before the penalties!! many times.. he missed 4 clear chances, and not to mention how many times Cassano was standing alone waiting for his pass in first half, secondn half Diamanti was there as well..

    I fear more Di Natale...


  • There's a gossip in the air that Klose may start with Italy instead of Gomez.. According to Mark Lawrenson of BBC sport, he feels that Gomez might not be let on ground from the start.

    "There is a feeling Loew will start with Klose again against Italy, because of his movement and the understanding he has with Mesut Ozil, but he has a lot of options." he said, "I have a feeling Germany might tell Mesut Ozil to stay near him, especially from what Klinsmann told me about how he stopped Pirlo when the United States played Italy in a friendly in March."

    We hope Jogi's not gonna make a big mistake in selection against Italy.. :x