Posts by astambara

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">
    When your "big" Striker Vieri gets the Goal in aftertime the hole Game take a different way. But when Vieri doesn´t get the Goal when he is two meters in front of the Goal and the Goal is empty too..................................


    A Referee has the responsibility to be fair. The russian Man has shown on the Penalty point to fast an to security that a football fan, who is a realist, doesn´t mean that´s fair.</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    When Vieri gets the Goal in aftertime? You speak about Italian National Team?


    About the penalty in the last match (Milan - Bayern), I say you that referee made two mistake: 1. the penalty was wrong. 2. the goal of Gilardino was regular. Gilardino loss the next match.
    Referee penalized us, not you.

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">rofl west germany, how old are you ? 80 ? you always tell us about our past, what about yours ? weren`t you our friends in WW 2 ? Do you have more racism in Italy at the present then we have ? Yes you have, but all this doesn`t matter... all this are politics and history - and I don`t think that germans stole the Worldcup 1954, lol how funny...


    But we were stolen the cup against England in Wembley, but all this doesn`t matter, all this belongs to the past...


    All what matters is, that Milan is involved in the present corruption and that Berlusconi and Galliani are involved in the present corruption and what really counts is the fact of that funny penalty given to Kaka, Maldini playing the ball with his hands...</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    Well, scandals happened two years ago (2005), and two years ago are past, not present.


    2005? 1954? both are past.
    The present and future is Bayern - Milan of champions league.


    Is different to win a World cup with doping or with a referee mistake.
    A referee mistake is part of football. Often, home team won world cup with some suspicion, see world cup of 1978 in Argentina. Or world cup 2002 where Corea won with Italy and Spain.


    But this is a normal case.
    Your case is different.
    See the article above...

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">yeah and in the 80`s Milan had to go to serie B, why ??? Because Juve bought a referee ???
    as long as Berlusconi does both things like politics and sports as long Milan will never play fair, these are my thoughts and the thoughts of many other (even fans of Milan)
    Moggi, Galliani, Lippi and Berlusconi are the person who don`t even know the word fairplay, they buy fairplay or they threaten others...


    and this is why I think Italian football is corrupted, not the italian people, i know lots of them and they all are very friendly and nice...</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    Ok, then I can say a thing that you don't know.
    If in Italian sometimes football was corrupted, justice ever punished guilty.
    In 1950 German won World cup with many, many, many doping.
    That is know by entire world. You say "Berna Miracle"? You made a film about that? I think you have 2 world cup only, because the first was stolen to Hungary. Hungary, "the gold team", was strongest than you. But Rahn & C. won with physical force due to doping, Hungary had more soccer technique.
    In our cases giulty are always punished, you not!!!!!!!!
    Milan went in "Serie B", it was right. Players sold matches to earn money. But never we won stealing matches to win a cup, campionship or other.
    I remember you some cases:
    1963: Santos - Milan (read carefully the story, read about Brozzi referee)
    1993: Marseille - Milan (do you know Valenciennes?)
    1990: Napoli - Atalanta (do you know Carmando and Alemao)
    2005/2006: Juventus stoled two campionship to Milan with Moggi


    In any case Milan have never justice.
    When we made a mistake we payed our guilt.
    Juventus, Santos, Marseille, West Germany, Napoli never!!!!!!!!

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">
    Maybe you understand something wrong. We only mean that football in Italy ist corrupted. We don´t mean all the People in Italy.


    What my country has made in History or not is not my work, because all the things that i do or i have done are the things i have to remember. The History of the 2nd World War is terrible but what i´ve done that gives any other the Right to call me a nazi ?


    But let us go back to Football. Football is the language :D.


    It´s funny that a spanish Refery will be the Chief on Wedneday.</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    I apologize for my reaction. I know that germans are not nazis, but Football in Italy are non corrupted. Only one character are corrupted, his name is Moggi.


    If you know, also in other country referee are bought, but when happen in Italy the entire world speak about us.


    An example. In Roma - Manchester police are accused by english politics.
    But they don't know that Holigans are fought by spanish Police the day after. Waht is the problem? Italian police or Holigans?


    There was corruption in poland last year but europe newspaper tell about italy only.


    And about Lippi I hope you don't say that because we are World Champions.


    Anyway, about corruption I can say that Juventus is corrupted since '70 years.
    In '70 and 80' years Juventus bought referees, in 90 juventus used doping and in 2000 since today juventus call referees to have favour.



    I'm happy that Wedneday a spanish referee direct Bayern - Milan.
    I would say a correct match.
    it gains the best one


    Forza Milan and Bayern

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">
    Just for you, I am every year in Italy, every first two weeks in august I am with my wife at her family in Mazzara del Vallo, near Trapani if you don`t know :D which lies deep in Sicilia...


    And I know a lot of italian people and I know even a lot of italian who say that Milan was deeply involved in that scandal and also lots of people say that Berlusconi even is involved in such things...
    Gallina was and that is a fact involved in that scandal but he is free, tell me why, tell me why milan now can play Champions League, they were first banned from there...
    Tell me why Lippi can coach a team, while his firm and his son were deeply involved in that...
    Tell my why many players(and I only talk of fottball players who don`t know fair play) just fall down of nothing, scream like they`re dying and just the sec the referree calls for a penalty they stand up and laugh ???


    Tell my why a team involved in a betting scandal years ago, now involved again, can wear a betting sponsor ???


    If you call the mishing of politics and sports fair play, if you call all this fair play - ok so you are fair :x 8-)</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    I know Mazzara del vallo for a good Marsala,
    but you don't know that in sicily most of people are fans of juventus.


    Milan are involved for only 1 call of 1 minute. Milan requested an assistan referee to fight Moggi power because in the prevoius match (Siena - Milan) an assistant referee (payed by Moggi) denied a Gol to Shevchenko.
    In the next match Milan won but the indicted assistant referee denied another gol to Milan.


    For this call newspaper and public opinion go againts Milan.


    Galliani, Lippi and Berlusconi are not involved in the scandal.
    I know we made a mistake, but 8 points in 2007 and 30 points in 2006 are enough for this mistake.


    About fair play, ask to your neighboorhood. Danish and Swedes in Euro 2004, when Poulsen made many faults to Totti to have a reaction of him. Danish Televisions send suddenly the film to Uefa to disqualify Totti.
    And you remember th 2 - 2 between Denmark and Sweden? Was not a corrupted match?


    Anyway I don't remember one time Milan play without fair play.

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">
    They happened, you are right. But now today we are a country, in which imigrants can live very well. Most of the Germans don't have a problem with the imigrants living here, so you can't call us Nazis! Of course these things happened, but they don't happen anymore. Nobody will forget them, and this is okay like that. But we shouldn't forget that most of the people who were involved in thing of the 2nd World War are dead now.
    This is the difference. Other people here mentioned a few things hat HAPPEN in Italy. That's not past, this is Present.</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    I said that if you call us Corrupted I can call you nazis.
    But Is said that it's not the truth. Italian are not corrupted and now German are not nazis anymore.


    You don't know the present in Italy, because you read only what newspaper says.
    I went to San Siro for 10 years and I saw how many time referees favor other teams and not Milan.


    About last years Milan called once an assistant referee because in the previous match an assistant referee (payed by Moggi) denied a regular gol (gol of shevchenko in Siena - Milan). In Milan - Chievo (the match indicted) the assistant referee denied a gol to Milan and a gol to Chievo. We didn't steal anything, but newspaper and puplic opinion said Milan are corrupted.


    Before to say Milan are corrupted you have to know the truth listening more people.

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">


    I remember that i was born in 1977. I´m not a member of the things which happenes in the 1st or 2nd World War. And when anybody means to call the Germanns nazi i´ll laugh about it because the story had his end in 1945.


    But sometimes i think that most of the People who means to call us nazi doesn´t know what that means. Show me an other Country where imigrants can life like in Germany.</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    I know what means the word "nazi", is similar to "Fascismo".
    I feel ashamed about that. And I think everybody should be ashamed for both words.
    Anyway, imigrants can life very well in Germany and Italy too.
    But before to say anything about a country don't remember what own country made in the past.


    Plaese don't say Italy = corruption, because few people are corrupted not the entire country.


    About Milan I ask yot a question. Milan won 4 Champions Lague in the last 20 years.
    Say me one of these you think are corrupted.
    I remember only Olympique Marseille that robbed a Champions League in 1993.

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">
    Lissen up Captain Italy. I don´t like talking about things which happenes 60 years ago. That´s only cheap.</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    I too, but 60 years ago these matters happens, remember!!!!!!!!

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">Ok I`m übersetzing this for you in english:
    Galliani was the Drahtzieher from this scandal. And he mustn`t in the Bunker.
    And the nice man Don B. mixed sport and politic, only Juve is abgestiegen and not Milan. There players and the co-president are verwickelt in the scandal.
    Juve has played fair in international games, Milan not. You italians don`t know what is fair play. Fair play isn`t let me fall and cry for pain when the Schiri is pfeiffing. And then laughting aufstehn and shoot the penalty. Fairplay means to insult not the opponent and break not his bones.
    Do you understand this? :D:D:D
    Gibt doch nix über Hauptschulenglisch :D</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    Milan called (with telephone) once for 1 minute. Juventus called 100000 times (100000 it's not a lie).
    Do you see any difference? Moggi call for juventus, Meani (an assistant, not a chief) called to fight Moggi power. Galliani didn't call anyone. Berlusconi didn't call anyone. I admit that Milan mistaked, but 8 points are the right punishment for us.


    You don't know anything about Italian People, You tell about us because you listen legends. There are a lot of people that know fair play in Italy.


    Came on in Italy. You will discover many things about us. forget the racism, I think german people are very intelligent. don't disappoint me please :P

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">
    It's not the truth. Because if you say italien=Koruption, I can say Germans are nazis, but I think that both opinions are wrong.


    The truth is that everytime something happens in Italy, media and newspapers emphasize the matter.


    Please write with more fair-play.


    Forza Milan and Bayern
    it gains the best one


    astambara from italy</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    so, zu dir muss ich jetzt auch mal was loswerden:


    Galliani war einer der Drahtzieher des Skandals und was ist ihm passiert ?? Richtig, nix...
    Da euer ach so toller Don B. mal wieder Politik und Sport vermischt hat, ist eben nur Juve abgestiegen und nicht der AC mit, obwohl Spieler und der Vizepräsident in den Skandal verwickelt waren/sind...
    Juventus hat wenigstens international fair gespielt, genau das kann und macht der AC Milan eben nicht, ihr wisst doch garnicht was fairplay bedeutet, nein fairplay bedeutet nicht sich grundlos fallenzulassen, vor Schmerz heulen und nachdem der Schiri mal wieder nen Elfer gepfiffen hat, lachend aufzustehen und den Elfer schiessen...
    Fairplay bedeutet auch nicht andere zu beleidigen und wenn das nix hilft versuchen die Knochen der gegnerischen Spieler zu brechen...


    Fairplay bedeutet eben auch nicht (und schon garnicht nach so nem Betrugsskandal) einen WETTANBIETER als Trikotsponsor zu haben...


    Und ich hoffe das ihr endlich mal das bekommt was ihr verdient und endlich den Abflug macht aus der CL am Mittwoch, ihr dürftet überhaupt nicht dabei sein - das wäre fair - aber davon versteht ihr nichts, ich hoffe das es der Fussballgott endlich sieht...</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------



    sorry, but I don't speak deutsch, please speak in english

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">AC Milan president Berlusconi furious with Dida
    tribalfooball.com - April 05, 2007


    The future of goalkeeper Nelson Dida at AC Milan is again in doubt after his dodgy performance on Tuesday night against Bayern Munich.


    Milan president Silvio Berlusconi was furious with the Brazilian's display in the 2-2 draw, says Gazzetta dello Sport, and referring to the bumper new deal Dida had just signed, the Rossoneri supremo turned to his No2, Adriano Galliani, and rapped: "How can we give £2.5 million to a goalkeeper who keeps making such mistakes?"


    It's reported today that Dida could be offered to Juventus in part-exchange for Italy No1 Gigi Buffon. Marco Amelia (Livorno) and Artur Boruc (Celtic) have also again been linked with Milan.


    :D:D :D</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    Berlusconi refute declarations about Dida. Gazzatta dela Sport make the usual scoop. Dida is Manchester hero, now he is uncertain about himself, but we hope that next year with new defender, midfielder he will can demonstrate his ability.


    About the 2 goals of bayern we attribute responsibility to defender and to lucky ;-)

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">
    I think the most people don't know what nazi means oO
    Nationalsocialist ...


    U know Mussolini?... So i would call it and own Goal


    I hate Berlusconi for all the referees he bought...
    Its just a competition living. Why just Juventus had to go in Seria B ? Milan was so lucky for just -8 Points. First they had -15 or? So this is no fair play of Milan...</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    Ok, forget mussolini and nazis, but you don't know what happens in Italy.


    Juventus go in "serie B" but we wait that it happens from 30 years.
    Milan won in Italy and in Europe and in the World, Juventus only in Italy.


    This means that juventus bought referees, Milan had only make a mistake.
    One phone call of Meani to request a referee assistant. It's wrong, but this is not sufficient to retreat Milan in serie B. 8 points is the right punishment.


    Berlusconi is rich but not a thief (at least in football, I don't know in politics).


    Stop to say lies about Milan.

    <span style="font-weight:bold; font-style:italic">Zitat:</span><br><span style="font-style:italic">Italien=Koruption, 0 Fairness, Rassismus, Gewalt!</span><br>-------------------------------------------------------


    It's not the truth. Because if you say italien=Koruption, I can say Germans are nazis, but I think that both opinions are wrong.


    The truth is that everytime something happens in Italy, media and newspapers emphasize the matter.


    Please write with more fair-play.


    Forza Milan and Bayern
    it gains the best one


    astambara from italy

    Complimentation with you for the match of tuesday.


    I hope to see another match like the last one.


    I Think Bayern is a great team, but to win against us you have to defeat the fate.


    We win the last 4 match (1968, 1990, 2003, 2006)


    But this year I think you are better.


    It gains the best one


    Forza Milan and Bayern from Italy